Curse

distilledwill · Feb 26, 2010, 10:16 AM // 10:16

"* Earth Shaker: all players less than a stone's throw away will see the effect of your mighty swing."

With this new skill I shall be both brave and strong, like bear.

Gill Halendt · Feb 26, 2010, 10:17 AM // 10:17

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Originally Posted by upier

Once again - Expert's Dexterity.
No drawbacks AND they even made a split for PvE.

Mantainable only @ 15 Expertise.

Major runes or consumables needed, or Dwarven Stability in your bar. That's its drawback.

Soldier's Fury is cheap and mantainable even with 0 points spent in any attribute.

Try harder.

Tenebrae · Feb 26, 2010, 10:18 AM // 10:18

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Originally Posted by upier

And then people wonder why it's so easy to predict that we'll have a new trinity/Ursan/SF in a few months.

Yeah sure , enlighten us. What will be the next bloody broken shit that can compare to previous SF/OB/600 ? and you are not allowed to say any of those 3 again.

-Makai- · Feb 26, 2010, 10:20 AM // 10:20

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Originally Posted by tasha

Good point well made.

Even still though, if you're a hammer warrior intending to KD in areas with large enemies you'll need to think about bringing that spirit.

Ah, wow. I guess you do learn something new every day. Thanks for the tip; I had no clue Earthbind bypassed KD immunity.

Gill Halendt · Feb 26, 2010, 10:21 AM // 10:21

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Yeah sure , enlighten us. What will be the next bloody broken shit that can compare to previous SF/OB/600 ? and you are not allowed to say any of those 3 again.

Probably a Mesmer. He's been advocating Mesmers to be put inline with Permas and 600/Smite for so long (instead of nerfing SF and 600/Smite to put them more inline with everything else) that it wouldn't surprise me.

EDIT - Deadly Paradox + SF + Enchantment mod -> Mantainable even @ 12 SA -> W/A to replace the ObsidianTank

upier · Feb 26, 2010, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Mantainable only @ 15 Expertise.

Major runes or consumables needed, or Dwarven Stability in your bar. That's its drawback.

Soldier's Fury is cheap and mantainable even with 0 points spent in any attribute.

Try harder.

Yeah because investing into a attribute that will make your skills pretty much free is a waste.
You will be running with [email protected] which means a 1 sec downtime. And it's a stance. Or if you prefer to have it up at all times - just go with a major rune. It's PvE.

You can't advocate a PvE nerf to Soldier's on the basis of balance when Expert's got a PvE version.

Mokeiro · Feb 26, 2010, 10:33 AM // 10:33

Hammer buff is a nice addition, but sadly heroes are still stupid at using hammer skills, the only combo they do is KD+Crushing blow, they use lose all adren skill as soon as recharged so useless, they use conditional skills when the condition is not met, (needed KD and enemy is standing, needed weakness and no condition on the enemy)

So hammer: nice on your char, waste on your heroes.

Reverend Dr · Feb 26, 2010, 10:35 AM // 10:35

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Yeah sure , enlighten us. What will be the next bloody broken shit

Answer: the old bloody broken shit. Tactics got a buff so the old 6 war, 1 mo, 1 orders will work a hell of a lot like the old?

really there is a hell of a lot that has been broken besides SF/600/Ob flesh and if you don't realize this, you really have no idea what to expect.

Gill Halendt · Feb 26, 2010, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by upier

Yeah because investing into a attribute that will make your skills pretty much free is a waste.
You will be running with [email protected] which means a 1 sec downtime. And it's a stance. Or if you prefer to have it up at all times - just go with a major rune. It's PvE.

If anything, it's ED to be an exception, not every other IAS in the game.

Then again. Just pick "I'm Unstoppable" on your Paragon and there goes your -20 malus. It's PvE afterall.

distilledwill · Feb 26, 2010, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by upier

Yeah because investing into a attribute that will make your skills pretty much free is a waste.
You will be running with [email protected] which means a 1 sec downtime. And it's a stance. Or if you prefer to have it up at all times - just go with a major rune. It's PvE.

You can't advocate a PvE nerf to Soldier's on the basis of balance when Expert's got a PvE version.

Does anyone ever use Experts? In PvE or PvP? Ever anymore?

You're flinging poo in an empty room my friend.

upier · Feb 26, 2010, 10:49 AM // 10:49

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

If anything, it's ED to be an exception, not every other IAS in the game.

Then again. Just pick "I'm Unstoppable" on your Paragon and there goes your -20 malus. It's PvE afterall.

So now we have the problem of needing to be under a chant or shout, then we have the armour malus, then we have the 1 sec activation time and now you want to add the need to use a PvE skill also?
And that's what you want to use your elite on? When even without the new issues, FA was always the superior option?

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

Does anyone ever use Experts? In PvE or PvP? Ever anymore?
You're flinging poo in an empty room my friend.

That's not the issue here.

You don't go around defending a change based on a rule that doesn't apply anymore. A simple "shove it sister" would be much more relevant than that argument.

Tenebrae · Feb 26, 2010, 11:00 AM // 11:00

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

Answer: the old bloody broken shit. Tactics got a buff so the old 6 war, 1 mo, 1 orders will work a hell of a lot like the old?

really there is a hell of a lot that has been broken besides SF/600/Ob flesh and if you don't realize this, you really have no idea what to expect.

Breaking the sentence to drop your sht is annoying pal , the clause is "that can COMPARE to SF/600/OB" so cut the crap. When you have taken down the mafia , you dont really care about pet stealers . Its a matter of size and yes , it matters.
The next "broken" ( yes, with " because it wont be broken , just unbalanced ) stuff wont matter as much as the ones reworked in this update and if you dont realize this , you are really clueless.

athariel · Feb 26, 2010, 11:04 AM // 11:04

why run hammers if you can run manly spike with demonic flesh and stuff?

Gill Halendt · Feb 26, 2010, 11:06 AM // 11:06

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Originally Posted by upier

So now we have the problem of needing to be under a chant or shout, then we have the armour malus, then we have the 1 sec activation time and now you want to add the need to use a PvE skill also?
And that's what you want to use your elite on? When even without the new issues, FA was always the superior option?

Easily nullified by the bonus adrenaline gain offered by SF, its cheap cost, the skill being pretty much unlinked. Talk about bar compression: IAS+IAG for 5 energy, mantainable with no effort by everyone (while ED can be run by Rangers only).

Lhim · Feb 26, 2010, 11:08 AM // 11:08

Aaaah, every update is so love inspiring...

I'm not sure what to think of this update, but there will be a lot of things to try out first. Either way, I'm glad that SF and 600/smite are gone.

Master Ketsu · Feb 26, 2010, 11:17 AM // 11:17

New seeping wound is bork.

Gill Halendt · Feb 26, 2010, 11:20 AM // 11:20

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Originally Posted by Lhim

I'm glad that SF and 600/smite are gone.

Not gone, just not absurdly overpowered as before.

SF is now mantainable by anyone with just Deadly Paradox and an Enchantment Mod.

Paradise Lost · Feb 26, 2010, 11:34 AM // 11:34

OH BOY does sleeping wound hurt. It rapes everything and anything in RA now. Nice fun while it lasts.

Desert Rose · Feb 26, 2010, 11:49 AM // 11:49

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

Does anyone ever use Experts? In PvE or PvP? Ever anymore?

I've used it on my ranger heroes many months ago, but then I realised that paragon heroes deal more damage and their party support is more useful than the two interrupts per ranger. And my para heroes even got buffed in this update.

shadows of hob · Feb 26, 2010, 11:49 AM // 11:49

What a great update! Nerfs on the right places, SF/BB sins/PC and some interesting buffs on the hammer line.

Well done, Test Krew.